Mit gemischten Gefühlen blicken manche Produktionsexperten auf die EMO Hannover und die dortige „industrie 4.0 area“: Sie befürchten, dass Industrie 4.0 zu Algorithmen und Lösungen rund um Big Data führt, die auf lange Sicht das Wissen der Experten überflüssig machen. Entwarnung geben dagegen Oberingenieur Alexander Epple sowie Michael Königs vom Werkzeugmaschinenlabor WZL der RWTH Aachen, die auf das Zusammenwirken von Big Data und fachspezifischem Know-how setzen.
Herr Epple, Sie leiten als Oberingenieur am Werkzeugmaschinenlabor WZL der RWTH Aachen die Abteilung Maschinendatenanalyse und NC-Technik: Wie kamen Sie dazu? Wäre das nicht eher etwas für Mathematiker gewesen?
Alexander Epple: Ich bewundere
Herr Epple, Sie leiten als Oberingenieur am Werkzeugmaschinenlabor WZL der RWTH Aachen die Abteilung Maschinendatenanalyse und NC-Technik: Wie kamen Sie dazu? Wäre das nicht eher etwas für Mathematiker gewesen?
Alexander Epple: Ich bewundere
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