Die Zahl neu entdeckter Sicherheitslücken in Software steigt immer schneller an. Auf einem internationalen Kongress in Las Vegas hat eine deutsche Nachwuchsforscherin präsentiert, was hinter diesem Trend steckt. Im Interview erklärt Joline Wochnik, warum Software immer komplexer – aber nicht unbedingt sicherer – wird, wie sie ihre Forschung beim World Congress in Computer Science präsentierte und weshalb das Thema uns alle angeht.
Joline Wochnik ist Data-Science-Masterstudentin und Forschungsreferentin in der der Agentur für Innovation in der Cybersicherheit GmbH (Cyberagentur). Die 24-Jährige präsentierte ihr Forschungspapier zum exponentiellen Wachstum von Sicherheitslücken – eine Arbeit, die sie mit der Coautorin Olivia Gräupner sowie
Joline Wochnik ist Data-Science-Masterstudentin und Forschungsreferentin in der der Agentur für Innovation in der Cybersicherheit GmbH (Cyberagentur). Die 24-Jährige präsentierte ihr Forschungspapier zum exponentiellen Wachstum von Sicherheitslücken – eine Arbeit, die sie mit der Coautorin Olivia Gräupner sowie
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